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R.Shayne · May 22, 2008, 02:23 PM // 14:23

One more thing I did like about this update happen last night with two people I play with and that was talk about new builds in a different view. Usually we are talking about builds negatively as in, “They nerfed this skill, what do you think about using this skill instead?” Last night it was totally different, “What do you think about this build? How do you think this combo will work? And it wasn’t negative for once; they seemed happy about it and builds were flying back and forth. There was even talk about what if on other builds if other skills get change (I know building up dreams to just get crushed).

I would like to say, “Thanks ANET for letting me enjoy this part of guild wars because it is fun trying / talking about new builds because we want to, not because we had to.”

Off-topic directed at some qq

If this update makes it easier for new players (or casual player) to farm then all the better. If the average player has 20k (read somewhere) then I consider them broke. If the average / casual player wants to grind for title (something I consider a waste of time) so the much the better. If the average / casual player wants to use [Ursan Blessing] to do UW / FoW / DoA / Slaver's so much the better (I don’t have to use the skill). If your e-pen shrinks because others have FoW armor or have done elite areas then I feel sorry for you. My enjoyment of the game doesn't depend on what others have or have not done, it depends on what I consider fun and for me gold drops are fun (treasure hunt).

FrAnt1c² · May 22, 2008, 02:29 PM // 14:29

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Originally Posted by R.Shayne

One more thing I did like about this update happen last night with two people I play with and that was talk about new builds in a different view. Usually we are talking about builds negatively as in, “They nerfed this skill, what do you think about using this skill instead?” Last night it was totally different in, “What do you think about this build? How do you think this combo will work? And it wasn’t negative for once; they seemed happy about it and builds were flying back and forth. There was even talk about what if on other builds if other skills get change (I know building up dreams to just get crushed).

I would like to say, “Thanks ANET for letting me enjoy this part of guild wars because it is fun trying / talking about new builds because we want to, not because we had to.”

Are we talking pve or pvp builds here?

Feanixxx · May 22, 2008, 02:33 PM // 14:33

Have these skill changes been cancelled/backed out? I've just logged in to look at them and they all look the same to me in PvE, for instance Shadow Form at attrib 15 is still 20 seconds.

Abedeus · May 22, 2008, 02:34 PM // 14:34

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Originally Posted by FrAnt1c²

Are we talking pve or pvp builds here?

Haha, you said you are pee.

And imo we are talking about pve in the Riverside, and pvp in Gladator's Arena.

Arkantos · May 22, 2008, 02:34 PM // 14:34

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Originally Posted by Feanixxx

Have these skill changes been cancelled/backed out? I've just logged in to look at them and they all look the same to me in PvE, for instance Shadow Form at attrib 15 is still 20 seconds.

If you read the update, you would have noticed it said this would go live sometime today.

Feanixxx · May 22, 2008, 02:37 PM // 14:37

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Originally Posted by Arkantos

If you read the update, you would have noticed it said this would go live sometime today.

Yup, read the update and did notice that, logged in a few minutes ago and got a massive update of a great many files .... hence my concluding that the large update was .... the update mentioned for sometime today!! Simple logic really but thanks for the flame, keeps my heart warm

Arkantos · May 22, 2008, 02:40 PM // 14:40

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Simple logic really but thanks for the flame, keeps my heart warm

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Originally Posted by Guru Forum Rules

Flaming is the act of posting messages that are deliberately hostile and insulting.

My post was not hostile or insulting. I was stating that if you bothered to read the whole update, you would have noticed it said the update goes live today.

But let's not go off topic. Feel free to PM an admin if you truly think I was flaming you.

R.Shayne · May 22, 2008, 02:48 PM // 14:48

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Originally Posted by FrAnt1c²

Are we talking pve or pvp builds here?

PvE builds - specifically farming builds.

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Originally Posted by Feanixxx

Have these skill changes been cancelled/backed out? I've just logged in to look at them and they all look the same to me in PvE, for instance Shadow Form at attrib 15 is still 20 seconds.

New community manger has stated in this thread that the update will go live today but later than usual (later than usual is open to interpretation) I am guessing 6 or 7 pm eastern time. Would provide a link but it is like one line somewhere around the forth page. I can't blame anyone for missing it since reading through ever post on this thread would be time consuming. I don't think Arkantos' reply was intended as a flame just read as direct to me.

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Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra

Another thing I'd like to make folks aware of is that the game update will be going live in the afternoon rather than the morning.

wow, was on forth page

Azora · May 22, 2008, 03:22 PM // 15:22

KK sins and eles farm almost all uw with perm SF now with this buff they will even farm it safer

1º ecto prices drop
2º eternal stuff prices drop
but o really dont care

i want ranger EW back! ffs let rangers do wat they do best! trap!

FrAnt1c² · May 22, 2008, 03:28 PM // 15:28

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Originally Posted by Azora

KK sins and eles farm almost all uw with perm SF now with this buff they will even farm it safer

1º ecto prices drop
2º eternal stuff prices drop
but o really dont care

i want ranger EW back! ffs let rangers do wat they do best! trap!

Won't more people farming UW, decrease the drop rate of ecto's and such?

Longasc · May 22, 2008, 03:30 PM // 15:30

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Originally Posted by R.Shayne

If this update makes it easier for new players (or casual player) to farm then all the better. If the average player has 20k (read somewhere) then I consider them broke. If the average / casual player wants to grind for title (something I consider a waste of time) so the much the better.

People could already farm with shadowform.

This skill adds nothing to the PvE game, it only caters to the new target group, the casual GW player... sorry, GW farmer.

Then we have skills that are still useless, like the bow attacks. Watch Yourself is now somewhat viable again, this was the positive one.

But you think about the use of Ether Renewal and Shadowform and whatever for farming. This has top priority. This game has gone downhill a lot. A dull game where the pve endgame consists of repetitive farming of the same mobs in the same area over and over.

Gun Pierson · May 22, 2008, 03:30 PM // 15:30

Can we monks have a bit of our former solo farming glory back too? Just drop the nightmares in UW, that's all I ask for

On a more serious note, I actually find the change to 'Incoming' good. It's an elite skill afterall. Maybe the original 10 secs was a bit too much especially when combined with vocal was sogolon, but 3 secs was not worth it.

Azora · May 22, 2008, 03:32 PM // 15:32

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Originally Posted by FrAnt1c²

Won't more people farming UW, decrease the drop rate of ecto's and such?

i read somewhere that god areas aret affected by over farming/loot scalling and all those things that ruined pve

soo more people means more ectos wich means they drop price (and my aprents say i suck at math)

English Warrior · May 22, 2008, 03:36 PM // 15:36

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Originally Posted by FrAnt1c²

Won't more people farming UW, decrease the drop rate of ecto's and such?

No because anet wouldnt do that and theyre not affected by loot scaling.

FengShuiDove · May 22, 2008, 03:43 PM // 15:43

We'll see a temporary drop in ecto price as a few more people will hop into UW and blow stuff up, but it won't be major and it'll balance out after a bit. Just think back to after the SS/LB weekend when there was the favor spike. Stuff went down, people got bored and went away, prices panned out.

MrSlayer · May 22, 2008, 04:42 PM // 16:42

Shame to see LoD won't be totally back to it's good old self.

Remember? When it also provided healing?

Frank Dudenstein · May 22, 2008, 04:48 PM // 16:48

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Originally Posted by Aera Lure

Izzy made a comment in an article linked somewhere else where he basically said what most people want in PvE is overpowered skills. He couldnt be more wrong, imho. PvE wants its own balance, more skills brought out from the uselessness in which they currently exist, more diverse partying. I for one never wanted overpowered skills (Ursan, this new trend) and consumables. Sigh. He is right though that the constant changes (usually nerfs) to skills is quite a bit less popular among PvE play than it is in PvP.

You are wrong ... most PvE-ers DO NOT want balance. They want overpowered skills.

Go to any Ursan thread and check out the responses. The vocal minority that wants Ursan nerfed is drowned out by the even more vocal majority that wants things easy.

R.Shayne · May 22, 2008, 04:51 PM // 16:51

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Originally Posted by Longasc

People could already farm with shadowform.

This skill adds nothing to the PvE game, it only caters to the new target group, the casual GW player... sorry, GW farmer.

Would almost say caters to the casual grinder. I don't like grind and thankfully I am not forced to do it.

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Originally Posted by Longasc

Then we have skills that are still useless, like the bow attacks. Watch Yourself is now somewhat viable again, this was the positive one.

I have to agree with you here, [energizing wind] energizing wind was what I wanted, what I got leaves me scratching my head wondering what is the purpose.

[Watch Yourself] Watch Yourself I like because I used to use it in a vermin farm. I had a friend that used it on raptors too but I really think someone should start a "Save the Raptor Fund"

Those poor raptors - oh wait remember what happen to me first time through that area, said a few things like "What are those?" "HELP, RAPE! "It hurts, get them off of me!!!"

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Originally Posted by Longasc

But you think about the use of Ether Renewal and Shadow form and whatever for farming. This has top priority. This game has gone downhill a lot. A dull game where the pve endgame consists of repetitive farming of the same mobs in the same area over and over.

I have stated before my view of the game is limited to mainly farming because it is what I like to do. No one is forcing me to farm it is just what I like to do. "Repetitive farming of the same mobs" would get old quickly so I mix them up and use all ten toons to farm. To me it all most as much fun looking at what I will be facing and determining what build / equipment.

After reading your response about e-Mesmer skills I may have to agree with you on that one, but neither will affect me since I use [spirit [email protected]] spirit shackles and [ancestor's [email protected]] ancestor's visage when farming. The one I have used recently was [chaos storm] chaos storm with a low level primary Mesmer.

Red Sonya · May 22, 2008, 04:56 PM // 16:56

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Power vs fun isn't a linear relationship in gaming either.

Opinionated and certainly not what the majority thinks as UB is doing fine and well in planet GW.

Now with the de-nerfing of a lot of other fun combinations we should see a LOT MORE POWERful builds in GW as well as Ursans. Power has always been the backdrop of fun in every mmorpg out there and GW has just realized it in the last two versions of their series. GW2 promises to be even better.

Though many more aged people may play this game it's first and foremost built around KIDS and how KIDS think and want to play. KIDS like godmode, KIDS like cheats, KIDS like things easy and fast and don't want to work for anything. So, grow"down" peoples.

upier · May 22, 2008, 05:02 PM // 17:02

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Originally Posted by Frank Dudenstein

You are wrong ... most PvE-ers DO NOT want balance. They want overpowered skills.

Go to any Ursan thread and check out the responses. The vocal minority that wants Ursan nerfed is drowned out by the even more vocal majority that wants things easy.

That only plays a role if you are saying that most PvP-ers do not want overpowered skills.